Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 16: Chris Moorman Tells Me How Badly I Play Poker
In last week's Hold'em with Holloway, I highlighted a hand from a $60 buy-in nightly tournament, one that presented me with multiple decision points. I suggest you review that piece before proceeding here, as we'll once again be taking a look at that hand, albeit with the help of online poker's most accomplished tournament player �� Chris "Moorman1" Moorman.
I actually had the opportunity to review Moorman's new book, Moorman's Book of Poker, which was co-written with D&B Publishing's Byron Jacobs. You can read that review by clicking here, but suffice it to say the book is written in a similar manner to what's laid out here �� that is to say, a hand played by Jacobs is presented, he offers an explanation as to why he played it that way (much like I did in last week's article), and then Moorman weighs in with a critique and his opinion.
Let me provide a quick review of the hand in question for those of you who don't want to go back to last week's article. It happened in the first level of a nightly tournament with the blinds at 25/50. Players started with 12,000 in chips, and four players limped to me in the big blind. I checked my option with J?10?, the flop came down 4?3?7?, and I checked. Two players followed suit, the cutoff bet 300, and the player on the button called.
I just called, the two other players folded, and three of us saw the 10? turn. I checked my top pair and flush draw, and the cutoff continued for 700. The button called, and I sprung to life with a check-raise to 2,700. The cutoff called while the button folded, and that led to the A? on the river. I bet a modest 2,500 with my flush and my opponent paid it off with A?A? for trips. (Again, for a more thorough review of the hand, complete with my own commentary, click here.)
I wasn't exactly thrilled with how I had played the hand, and was anything but confident I made good decisions each street. So how does one of the world's best poker players feel I played it? Here's what Moorman had to say:
In this hand there are a number of different options available at various points that will impact the latter streets significantly. The first of these is preflop. I��m not too concerned about the preflop action here as I think either of your two options are ultimately fine and it is largely down to a preference thing as well as any reads that you have on the individual limpers in the hand.
Checking here to see a cheap flop out of position multiway with Jx10x-suited is a fine option because it��s a hand that works well multiway when you hit big. Even though the pot will be small initially compared to the stack sizes, your opponents are likely to misplay their hands often by overplaying them because of their inexperience.
In turn I could be convinced that it is better to put in a large raise here to narrow the field and be able to credibly represent hands such as AxKx or AxQx later in the hand with the backup of making a big hand which your opponents won��t put you on. This move has a lot more variance associated with it because as the preflop aggressor you will be bluffing and semi-bluffing more often so can potentially lose a lot more chips when you don��t make your hand and get called down. However, if you do make a strong hand the pot will be much bigger than if you had simply checked before the flop. A problem with raising preflop here is that your opponents might be very hard to bluff because of the small buy-in and gambling nature of the tournament.
On the flop, as played, I would be looking to check-raise here especially after the initial bettor gets called. On such a draw-heavy board I would expect anyone with a big hand to be raising here so I would figure the caller to have a marginal hand or a draw. Also when you overcall in this spot you turn your hand face up as either a flush draw or a weak made hand.
By raising here it allows you to win the pot on a latter street without making your hand and by just using pure aggression instead. Also if you do make your flush on a latter street the pot will be much bigger and your opponent will feel more committed to their hand and find it harder to lay it down. If you are reraised on the flop, it will be an easy fold for you because although your hand is strong your draw isn��t to the nuts and you will likely be up against either a straight, a set, or a nut-flush draw.
After just overcalling the flop you now find yourself in a very weird spot on the turn after you turn top pair to go along with your flush draw. The initial bettor bets for a second time and the caller calls again. The initial bettor is most likely pretty strong here because they bet a semi-wet flop four ways, and after being called twice have barreled again on the turn. I would be putting them on either a possible slow-played overpair preflop, a set, two pair or a very strong flush draw. You are doing all right against this range overall, but are actually probably behind the majority of the time right now.
I can understand why you wanted to raise with the other player in the pot likely to be way behind your hand, however I think it is a mistake because it is very ambitious in a tournament like this to try and get a better hand than yours to fold and you are likely driving out any worse hands than yours. One reason why you may have decided to raise here is because you realized your mistake on the flop and wanted to rectify it. Also a raise here makes little sense because 10x7x is the only big hand you are really representing after overcalling the flop on such a draw-heavy board three-ways out of position.
On the river you make your flush after semi-bluffing the turn and narrowing the field to one opponent. This opponent likely has a very strong hand so I would be looking to bet big �� somewhere around 70% pot �� because people hate to fold big hands especially in this type of tournament, at least in my experience. I would be a bit worried my opponent could have a bigger flush such as KxXx or QxXx of hearts; however, there are more combinations of smaller flushes as well as other strong value hands.
One mistake I often see players make is to bet on the smaller side when they hit a big hand because they don��t want to scare their opponents off. However, these same players are often betting big and raising as a bluff because they see it as being so powerful. It is important to be consistent with your bet sizes and tell the same story with both your value bets and bluffs so it keeps your opponents guessing as to which one it is this time.
My Final Thoughts: The hand is certainly filled with multiple decision points. I'm happy with the limp preflop, though I agree a raise would be fine, too. But I'm definitely disappointed with my play on the flop. As Moorman notes, I basically turned my hand face-up by over-calling.
He also makes a great point on why I shouldn't raise the turn after pairing my 10. Truth be told, I think he hit the head on the nail when he said I may have been trying to rectify the mistake of not raising the flop. Bad play on my part, and I'm fortunate I hit my flush on the river. However, again I made a mistake by betting so small. Ultimately it proved a favorable hand, but I didn't do myself any favors.
If you've enjoyed reading about this hand the past two weeks, then I highly recommend you check out Moorman's Book of Poker. The book is written in a similar style and examines a vast array of online poker hands, most more complex and interesting than the one described above. Click here to pick up your copy through PokerNews Books Section.
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In this Series
- 1 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 1: Making Reads and Trusting Them
- 2 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 2: Playing in Poker Charity Events
- 3 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 3: Throttle Back Before You End Up Punting
- 4 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 4: Punish the Satellite Bubble
- 5 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 5: What is Proper Accumulator Strategy?
- 6 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 6: A Chip and a Chair Story with ��SirWatts��
- 7 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 7: 15 Things About Poker I Wish I��d Known Sooner
- 8 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 8: Examining the Largest Overlay in Poker History
- 9 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 9: Differences Between Rebuys and Reentries
- 10 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 10: Five Must-Read Poker Books of 2014
- 11 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 11: When Will You Finally Break Through?
- 12 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 12: Dealing with a Target on Your Back
- 13 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 13: Knowing When to Call It Quits
- 14 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 14: Embarking on a Year-Long Weight Loss Journey
- 15 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 15: Navigating Multiple Decision Points in a Poker Hand
- 16 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 16: Chris Moorman Tells Me How Badly I Play Poker
- 17 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 17: Richard ��nutsinho�� Lyndaker on Getting It in Marginal
- 18 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 18: Getting Inside the Head of Poker Pro Brian Rast
- 19 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 19: Stupid Calls & Lucky Draws in MSPT WI Championship
- 20 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 20: Talking Ante-Only Strategy with Greg ��FossilMan�� Raymer
- 21 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 21: Contributing to Jonathan Little��s New Book
- 22 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 22: Consequences of Acting Out of Turn & Tossing in Chips
- 23 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 23: When It Comes to Chops, Do What��s In Your Best Interest
- 24 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 24: Accepting Bad Beats & Lessons in Selling Action
- 25 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 25: Heinz�� Ace-High Call Shows Why He's a World Champ
- 26 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 26: Is Keeping the Short Stack Alive Collusion?
- 27 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 27: Great Laydown or Bad Fold on Poker Night in America?
- 28 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 28: Calling Hellmuth with Jack-Deuce Offsuit
- 29 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 29: The Philosophy of "No-Chop" Chad
- 30 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 30: Preparing to Play the World Series of Poker
- 31 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 31: Staying on Your Grind at the World Series of Poker
- 32 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 32: The Perilous Decision to Call Off with Ace-Queen
- 33 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 33: Using Poker Skills in Reality TV Competitions
- 34 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 34: Esfandiari Explains How to Recover from Bad Beats
- 35 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 35: Tilly vs. Brunson in Super High Roller Cash Game Hand
- 36 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol 36: Unconventional Play Leads to Good WSOP Main Event Start
- 37 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 37: Lessons in Pot-Limit Omaha Hi-Low w/ Evan Jarvis
- 38 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 38: Things to Say and Do When You Bust a Poker Tournament
- 39 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 39: How Much Did I Have to Raise to Get You to Fold?
- 40 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 40: Practicing Patience in My Deep PPC Poker Tour Run
- 41 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 41: Analyzing a Questionable SHRPO Main Event Hand
- 42 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 42: Analyzing the Play of Neymar Jr. at EPT Barcelona
- 43 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 43: The Value of a Reliable Poker Reputation
- 44 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 44: John ��KasinoKrime�� Beauprez Rips My PLO Game Apart
- 45 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 45: Satellite Dilemmas -- To Call or Not to Call
- 46 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 46: Seiver Leverages the River in Super High Roller Bowl
- 47 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 47: What Untraditional Moves in Poker Might Mean
- 48 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 48: Thinking About the Future with Sam Grizzle
- 49 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 49: WCOOP Champ ��Coenaldinho7�� Offers Up His Biggest Hands
- 50 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 50: The Peril of Shoving Weak Aces
- 51 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 51: The Importance of Not Giving Up in Poker Tournaments
- 52 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 52: Does Asking ��Check�� Actually Constitute a Check?
- 53 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 53: Thomas Cannuli Impresses Even After Main Event Bustout
- 54 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 54: Dealers Aren��t Always Right
- 55 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 55: Don��t Get Married to Pocket Aces
- 56 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 56: Bazeley��s Survival Instinct Leads to Continued Success
- 57 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 57: Playing ��Deuces Wild�� on the European Poker Tour
- 58 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 58: The Wildest Hand in European Poker Tour History
- 59 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 59: Death, Zombies & Spending Time w/Phil Hellmuth
- 60 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 60: How the Unstoppable Fedor Holz Managed to Win Again
- 61 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 61: Lessons To Be Learned When You Hit the Big Stage
- 62 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 62: Steve O��Dwyer Explains the ��Oreo Cookie Tell��
- 63 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 63: What Would Happen to a Chip Stack If a November Niner Died?
- 64 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 64: Forgetting One Chip -- Should It Still Be an All-In Bet?
- 65 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 65: Todd ��sharkslayerrr�� Breyfogle on Bankroll Management
- 66 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 66: Cash Game Pro Daniel Arfin Offers Sound Bankroll Advice
- 67 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 67: Honeyman Plays Kings to Keep in Opponent��s Bluff Range
- 68 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 68: Why Do I Even Bother Drinking at the Poker Table?
- 69 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 69: Is Your Favorite Poker Pro Left- or Right-Handed?
- 70 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 70: In Order to Live You Have to Be Willing to Die
- 71 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 71: How to Amass a Big Stack Early in a Poker Tournament
- 72 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 72: Answering User-Submitted Poker Scenarios
- 73 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 73: Saying Goodbye with a Top Five List
- 74 Hold'em with Holloway, Vol. 74: We're Back, Baby!
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- 76 Hold��em with Holloway, Vol. 76: Matt Bretzfield Gets Tricky With Aces
- 77 Hold'em with Holloway, Vol. 77: Joseph Cheong Gets Crazy with a Pair of Ladies
- 78 Hold'em with Holloway, Vol. 78: Wyoming Poker Action & Wild South Dakota Hand
- 79 Hold'em with Holloway, Vol. 79: Calling Controversy at WinStar
- 80 Hold'em with Holloway, Vol. 80: Going for Value with Matt Hunt
- 81 Hold'em with Holloway, Vol. 81: Bracelet Winner Ryan Leng on Bad Call
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- 83 Hold'em with Holloway, Vol. 83: Men The Master Doesn't Get Paid
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- 85 Hold'em with Holloway, Vol. 85: Jamie Kerstetter on Dealing with Bounties
- 86 Hold'em with Holloway, Vol. 86: Matt Stout Develops a Limp Dynamic
- 87 Hold'em with Holloway, Vol. 87: Matt Alexander Caught in Between w/ Two Red Aces
- 88 Hold'em with Holloway, Vol. 88: John Beauprez on Why He Folded a Set of Jacks
- 89 Hold'em with Holloway, Vol. 89: Alex Aqel Lets Opponent Hang Himself with Aces
- 90 Hold'em with Holloway, Vol. 90: David Peters Makes Beastly Call Against Will Givens
- 91 Hold'em with Holloway, Vol. 91: Poker Lessons from a Game of Risk
- 92 Hold'em with Holloway, Vol. 92: My Upstuck Diagnosis by the CLC Squad
- 93 Hold'em with Holloway, Vol. 93: Alex Foxen Coolers Nick Petrangelo in SHRB
- 94 Hold'em with Holloway, Vol. 94: My $25,000 PSPC Experience at 2019 PCA
- 95 Hold'em with Holloway, Vol. 95: The Equity of Leveraging Time Extensions
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- 97 Hold'em with Holloway, Vol. 97: Big Hands From the WSOP-C Potawatomi
- 98 Hold'em with Holloway, Vol. 98: Simon Deadman Rips Apart My NLH Tourney Play
- 99 Hold'em with Holloway, Vol. 99: Shoving 10-6 Smack Dab Into Pocket Aces
- 100 Hold'em with Holloway, Vol. 100: The Revived Re-Entries Debate